As Max Clifford launches an appeal against his eight-year prison sentence, all it shows is how truly unappealing he still is Despite being convicted on eight counts of indecent assault between 1977 and 1984, sexual offender Max Clifford has decided to launch an appeal against his eight-year prison sentence. In doing so, all Clifford achieves is to inflict yet more misery on his victims.
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England hating designer Dame Vivienne Westwood has the right to leave Vivienne Westwood was born in Derbyshire and made her supposed £114 million ($185 million) fortune in Great Britain. Yesterday, in using her London Fashion Week showcase to denounce the Union, she yet again showed herself to be nothing but bonkers.
The Queen breaks her silence on Scotland’s future Can the Queen succeed where the hapless ‘Better Together’ campaign has failed? Today, as she left church in Scotland the monarch reportedly told a member of the public: “I hope people will think very carefully about the future” according to Sky News.
What will become of Scotland’s ability to defend itself if it becomes independent of the rest of the UK? Shared by Ahmed Khalil on Facebook, our Picture of the Week mocks up what might happen to Scotland’s ability to defend itself if the ‘yes’ camp secure a win on Thursday 18th September.
It is right that Oscar Pistorius has been convicted of culpable homicide This morning Oscar Pistorius was convicted of culpable homicide – the South African equivalent of the UK’s manslaughter charge – and one charge relating to a restaurant shooting. That he showed no emotion as he was convicted is telling.
Orkney and the Shetland islands could remain part of the UK even if Scotland votes ‘yes’ to independence
As Broadway refuses to dim its lights for Joan Rivers, a list of those she banned from her funeral is revealed
Appeal launched to find a parrot that whistles the EastEnders theme tune that has gone missing in Kent
As the minister for civil society warns charities to ‘stay out of politics’, we urge him to reform this messy sector
Michael Bloomberg back at the helm at Bloomberg Billionaire businessman Michael Bloomberg is to unexpectedly resume control of his eponymous financial data and media company at the end of the year just eight months after ending his final term as New York’s mayor.
Cliff Richard takes to Facebook to proclaim his innocence Yesterday, Sir Cliff Richard took to Facebook to suggest that he is innocent of the recent abuse allegations made against him.
Will Julian Assange ever leave the Ecuardorian embassy in London? On 18th August Julian Assange told a news conference that he’d leave the Ecuadorian embassy in London “soon”. It’s now the 4th September and still he remains there.
Three Arabic men decide to enjoy a spot of shisha on the A4 as Cara Delevingne looks on The ‘Ramadan Rush’ is nearly over but in spotting the image that we make our Picture of the Week, Monika Agata Maron truly captured how ridiculous Knightsbridge has become during this period.
Byzantine Ambassador is a website where you’ll find everyone from Mary Beard to Toby Young Established by Henry Hopwood-Phillips and described by Colin Turton of MarketWatch as “prophetic, angry and droll”, our Website of the Week is Byzantine Ambassador.
Steven Berkoff compares George Galloway urging a boycott of Tesco to what happened to Jewish shops in Nazi Germany A politician who lacks any respect for decency, George Galloway MP, has shown himself to be truly obnoxious yet again in calling for a boycott of the supermarket Tesco and its products.
Could the most deprived area in Britain be the place to invest? The city of Detroit has long been a no-go area and its decline from an automotive giant to a capital of deprivation has been well documented. Britain’s equivalent is a small seaside village named Jaywick, near Clacton-on-Sea in Essex.
The cashless society where cameras watch our every move gets ever closer First it was London’s buses that refused cash, then a restaurant decided to take only credit cards and soon you won’t even be able to buy a tax disc for your car.
Michelle Mone vows to quit Scotland if the country votes ‘Yes’ to independence Self-styled “Bra Queen” Michelle Mone OBE took to Twitter following Monday night’s debate between Alistair Darling and Alex Salmond about Scottish independence. She vowed to take her business to London in the event of a ‘Yes’ vote in next month’s referendum and in warning of the dangers of such a decision, she is right.
How much of every pound or dollar donated should charities be able to allocate to administration?
The last letter from journalist James Foley Executed hostage James Foley devised a way of communicating with his family during his captivity. He dictated a letter to a fellow hostage about to be released. On Sunday, his family released the text of it on the Facebook page “Find James Foley”.
David Cameron should not have gone surfing; he should have recalled Parliament David Cameron did the right thing in returning to London in the wake of the execution of the journalist James Foley by a British jihadi. Just as President Obama did in heading off to play golf, Cameron took exactly the wrong course of action yesterday, however, in being seen on a public beach with a surfboard and tweeting images of where he is holidaying.
UAE issues map telling their citizens of which areas of London to avoid Supercar hating busybody Panda Morgan-Thomas will be delighted. The UAE have issued a “map of the dangerous areas of London” and it includes Knightsbridge.
Rolf Harris adjusts to life in the clink It’s easy but perhaps inappropriate to make light of Rolf Harris’ hits – such as Jake the Peg (and his extra third leg) and Two Little Boys – in light of this veteran entertainer’s conviction on twelve counts of sexual offences but it’s not at all pleasant to learn that he has become something of a prison personality.
Two journalists call for “no more ice bucket challenges” You’ve surely seen it on your Facebook timeline or received a YouTube video of some celebrity dousing themselves in ice water. The ALS Association’s challenge to pour ice water over yourself or donate $100 has certainly gone viral but Will Oremus of Slate and Arielle Pardes of Vice both have a point in suggesting this whole campaign is a lot of hot air (or cold water).
Julian Assange expresses his anger against the British government Today, in an interview with The Mail on Sunday, Julian Assange expressed his anger that he has been denied what he sees as his human rights by the British government. This arrogant individual – who imposed himself upon the Ecuadorian embassy in Knightsbridge in June 2012 – has no right to complain: he chose this course of action and it is time he accepted that.
As Sir Cliff Richard’s home is searched, The Steeple Times suggests it is time that this pop star was properly questioned Christian pop star Sir Cliff Richard may be away on a summer holiday, but it hasn’t stopped his Berkshire home being searched by police in regard to an alleged sexual offence involving a boy who was aged under 16 at the time.
John Bercow shames himself again in claiming £1,200 to attend a funeral John Bercow and his blabbermouth wife are known for their grasping ways but in charging £1,215.60 to attend the funeral of the late Paul Goggins MP, the House of Commons Speaker has gone too far.
Mr Gus Instinct calls for Britain to wake up and respect itself once more
The Steeple Times asks the controversial former UKIP MEP Godfrey Bloom TD: “What’s on your mantelpiece?”
This week’s cover of OK! magazine illustrates what is wrong about Britain Britain is a country that can be credited with having been responsible for amongst other things penicillin, television, commercial jets, electric light, a global language, cricket, tennis, rugby, Shakespeare, parliamentary democracy and the Internet. With so much to celebrate, what did OK! magazine choose to feature on their cover this week?
Petra Stunt sends yet another rambling comment to ‘The Steeple Times’ Petra Stunt – nee Ecclestone – took great umbrage at our article about her father’s views on her husband’s convoy of cars. Now, in yet another comment, she’s shared her take on James Stunt’s entourage of vehicles once again.
“More than impertinent” barrister Ian West slammed for his behaviour Courtrooms, despite being places where justice ought to be taken seriously, are often the scenes of comical farce. Whilst Rolf Harris unconvincingly sought to win over the jury in his case by singing Jake the Peg and imitating his wobble-board, the case of a barrister named Ian West revolves around whether his “impertinence” towards a judge ought to lead to disciplinary action.
Lady Meyer takes a pay cheque from the City Bridge Trust Featured in The Telegraph in 2011 due to the curious way it allocated its income, the charity founded by the “Chanel-clad” wife of the former British ambassador to Washington, Lady Meyer, is back in the news after receiving a grant of £60,000 from the City Bridge Trust. Naturally, she, herself, is set to receive 10% of this personally.
Chain smoker’s widow awarded £13.9 billion in compensation America is widely known as the land that created “compensation culture” but in the recent award of £13.9 billion ($23.6 billion) in punitive damages and £9.9 million ($16.8 million) in compensatory damages to the widow of a chain smoker, a truly ridiculous precedent has been set.
As singer Tulisa hits out at her conviction for assault, we urge her instead to learn to respect the justice system Tulisa Contostavlos is best known for trashy tracks about “living on the edge of life” and has also sung lines such as: “Forgive us for what we’ve done, cause we young, we young, we young”. Today, though, this lippy singer didn’t show any desire to express remorse for her conviction for the assault of a blogger and instead angrily expressed her “outrage” outside Stratford Magistrates’ Court.
Crowdcube raise £1.2 million in 16 minutes as Glentham Capital proceeds with their second fund raise via Seedrs This week the UK’s largest crowdfunding platform, Crowdcube, opened and closed their bid to raise £1.2 million to expand their company in just 16 minutes. This followed their having raised £3.8 million of investment from Balderton Capital last week.
Child killer Mick Philpott may get his just deserts for bragging about receiving free false teeth on the NHS Mick Philpott is a man who should only be remembered as a monster who burnt 6 of his 17 children to death in a house fire. Instead, now this evil creature is back in the press after receiving a full set of false teeth on the NHS.
The most pointless invention in history has to be the car alarm Car alarms have to be the most annoying and pointless inventions ever created.
As London’s temperature rises, lightning strikes Last night, London was hit by an electric storm and today the city’s temperature is expected to hit 33°C. It will be hotter here than Barbados and Mauritius
Israeli journalist and American citizen Itay Hod calls for a peaceful resolution to the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict First, let me state a simple fact. I am a journalist who also happens to be Israeli. I was born in Nazareth and served in the Israel Defense Forces as a paratrooper. I’m no stranger to the Middle East and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and I’m also an American citizen who resides in Los Angeles.
As the Costa Concordia is raised, the Titanic takes her revenge The operation to raise and refloat the Costa Concordia has begun to take shape this week and our Picture of the Week is an ironic take on the fate of another stricken vessel.
Whilst Baroness Butler-Sloss has taken the right decision, Theresa May has yet again proven herself to be hapless and hopeless In resigning as the head of a probe into child sex abuse, retired judge Baroness Butler-Sloss has shown herself to be a decent and sensible lady.
As well known buy-to-let tycoons Fergus and Judith Wilson sell up, we ask: “Has the British property market peaked?” Known as “Baron and Baroness Buy-to-Let”, Fergus and Judith Wilson were the kind of role models those who watch daytime shows such as Homes Under the Hammer aspired to be. With this week’s announcement that they’re selling their 900-house portfolio, could this be indication that the property market has reached its peak?
Aristocrats, Russians and a VAT case all come together at a £46.5 million Hampstead mansion Agents Knight Frank describe 22 Lyndhurst Road in London’s Hampstead as a “truly exceptional Ambassadorial period residence”. What they neglect to mention, however, is that this 15,177 square foot house has recently featured in a court case involving one of Winston Churchill’s descendants, Alexander Spencer-Churchill, and a dispute over the VAT payable on introduction fees for the property’s previous sale.
Matthew Steeples asks: “In becoming ‘prison porn’ what does the case of Jeremy Meeks tell us about society?” The countless articles that have been written about the “hot mugshot guy” Jeremy Meeks fail to miss the point that here is a previously jailed individual awaiting trial for multiple felony weapon charges.
As offensive graffiti is daubed on the 7/7 memorial, we urge readers to remember the 52 victims today
Whilst one works, eleven watch on in London’s Sloane Square
Rolf Harris sentenced to 5 years and 9 months in jail On Friday morning Rolf Harris tried to evade photographers by leaving his home by boat for his final trip to Southwark Crown Court. He didn’t succeed and also rightly failed to avoid jail.
Actor, author, playwright and theatre director Steven Berkoff leaps to the defence of Angelina Jolie
Comparing phone hacking to Jihad is simply ludicrous In yesterday’s Sun on Sunday, “warm heart[ed], acid tongue[d]” Tony Parsons ranted about the “waste of money” that has been the “assorted inquisitions into the newspaper industry”. Whilst much of what he stated is true, the way in which he linked this to the war on Jihad was quite ridiculous.
As police raid the offices of Lord Janner, we urge those running Operation Fernbridge to step up their game The revelation in the Sunday People that Labour peer Lord Janner has had his House of Lords office raided by the police comes as no surprise following on from our having received many messages about this individual via Twitter for the last year. That this story has now finally been outed is progress but what needs to happen next is for the unconnected Operation Fernbridge to finally be given the resources it requires
An appropriate description of the SNP leader The biggest donors to the campaign for Scottish independence thus far have been Colin and Chris Weir, a couple who won £161 million in the EuroMillions lottery in 2011. They’ve funded 79% of the ‘Yes’ campaign and now as Scotland prepares to vote on this stupid gamble, we had to make an image shared with us by Peter Burrell our Picture of the Week.
Will the last person to leave please turn off the lights? The Euro election results clearly identified that we have become a nation of voters who speak from the knee rather than the brain. We have empowered a group of people with no real influence and it seems we almost favour a return to the 1970s.
Billericay here we come The future political landscape of Britain has been subverted by the most meaningless political party in our history
‘The Steeple Times’ issues a reward for information that will lead to successful prosecution of the killer of Alexander Monson Yesterday, May 19th, was the second anniversary of Alexander Monson’s death in police custody in Kenya. Alexander was the handsome and intelligent 28-year old heir of Lord Monson.
An insight into the new life of Max Clifford In a press release sent to The Steeple Times, the author Ian Hitchings has revealed details about disgraced publicist Max Clifford’s new life in Wandsworth Prison.
Halsey Minor launches a platform that addresses Bitcoin volatility Today, Internet and technology entrepreneur Halsey Minor announced his return to the sector with the launch of Bitreserve
R. K. Patrick on the potential of an upcoming space race MOSCOW — Russia’s recent annexation of the Crimea has bred a fresh batch of overnight experts. Most are now ruminating over whether Russia has further territorial ambitions in Eastern Ukraine but they are overlooking the obvious. It is now clear that Russia’s territorial ambitions extend far further than mere earthly possessions. Indeed by 2030, a new Russian Government report suggests, Russia will have colonized the Moon.
Katie Price’s antics set her on Titanic course When Katie Price married a part-time stripper named Kieran Hayler in January 2013 everyone cried “publicity stunt” and now she’s supposedly divorcing him, people are rightly shouting the same.
TOWIE’s Lauren Goodger is the only client to publicly stand by Max Clifford Loyalty to ones friends is an admirable trait but there are times when the only option is to cut ones ties. It seems highly unlikely but even Hitler might have nice as a little boy. The truth is, however, that anyone who admitted to having been his friend as his evil empire fell would be deservedly lambasted. In coming out in support of the family of “sex fiend” Max Clifford, Lauren Goodger of The Only Way Is Essex has put herself in just such a position.
R. K. Patrick reports on the first May Day parade in Red Square since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 MOSCOW — Last Thursday, over 100,000 people paraded through Moscow’s Red Square to celebrate May Day. It was the first time any such parade has happened in Red Square since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.
As Max Clifford heads to jail for 8 years, it is time to reveal the link between him and other convicted sex offenders In 1997, Max Clifford stated: “[Owen] Oyston is many things, including very arrogant, but he is not a rapist” after being hired to represent the businessman as he attempted and failed to overturn his conviction for rape.
Bob Hoskins: A gent who passed before his time Suffolk born actor Bob Hoskins started his career as a circus worker, fruit packer and camel herder but rose to become one of Britain’s best loved actors.
Max Clifford refuses to apologise as it is revealed that he’s been borrowing against his assets Sexual abuser Max Clifford’s only remarks since being convicted have been to say that he is “incredibly disappointed about what’s happened” and he’ll be “back to court on Friday”. When asked if he would be apologising to the women he’d indecently assaulted, he did not answer and simply smugly raised his eyebrows. Here is a man with no shame and no regret.
There’s nothing worse than being Max Clifford ‘Grubby publicist’ has been the description that has been attached to Max Clifford for many years but with his conviction yesterday on eight counts of indecent assault, that can now be replaced by ‘sexual abuser’, ‘liar’ and most tellingly ‘the man with the small penis’.
Two-letter web address sells for $3.6 million (£2.1 million) It’s barely news now when a social media website sells for a billion dollars, but news that a web address has changed hands for $3.6 million (£2.1 million) is quite extraordinary.
It is time to make St George’s Day a public holiday The Irish enjoy a national holiday for St Patrick’s Day and the Scottish celebrate St Andrew’s Day. Today, 23rd April, is St George’s Day and it is time we, the English, marked it properly.
Mr Gus Instinct says: “Oscar Pistorius is a horror story for any parent” Have you heard that there is a new disease? It’s called “Oscarpistosis” and can only be caught by girls but the symptoms are a fear of going into your boyfriend’s bathroom.
Cliff Richard bores on about gay rumours and rockstar wreckers Sir Cliff Richard OBE is a man of mystery. Rumours about his sexuality and other areas of his life abound on the Internet and in an interview for an Australian television channel last Friday, he again tried to dispel them.
Republic.org.uk are wrong to attack the travel arrangements of The Prince of Wales In an image already shared by 1,280 on Facebook, a shameful organisation named the Republic Campaign attacked the travel arrangements of Prince Charles and his wife. We think their comments preposterous and thus make them our Wallies of the Week. In the post, Republic state: “In 2011, Charles and Camilla charged the taxpayer £30,000 for a return flight from Clarence House to Balmoral for a private break with no public engagements”. “Their excuse? Clarence House said that because Charles is ‘always on duty’, travel between his residences is regarded as official expenditure”. Firstly, it’s news to us that there’s an airport named Clarence…
Audi Q7 rammed through the window of Chanel’s Brompton Cross store In the early hours of Good Friday, thieves rammed a stolen Audi Q7 through the window of Chanel’s store on Brompton Cross, SW3.
An examination of the ‘F’ word “F**king amazing” is considered a compliment by the Chelsea chicks that chatter but “f**king cheat” is one that they find themselves often using to describe what’s gone wrong with their relationships. The ‘F’ word is used by such people in many contexts, but one has to ask “When is using it appropriate?”
Donna Leon’s portrait of Venice has telling similarities to our view about what Central London has become In yesterday’s The Times, author Donna Leon was interviewed about her latest novel, By Its Cover. Born in America, but a longtime resident of Venice, Leon made telling remarks about what the city where she lives has become
Member of Parliament Sarah Wollaston should resign Our Wally of the Week is a Member of Parliament named Dr Sarah Wollaston. This maliciously reckless woman is amongst those responsible for having ensured our contributor Nigel Evans was wrongly brought to trial by the Crown Prosecution Service.
Lexus smashes through railings in Chesham Place, SW1 In the wake of the recent Lamborghini crash in Sloane Street, this afternoon, a Lexus smashed into a street sign in Chesham Place, Belgravia before bouncing off straight through the railings of the garden opposite. Witnesses stated that the driver had a heart attack at the wheel but this is unconfirmed.
Nigel Evans is right to demand the CPS repay his legal expenses Last Friday, contributor to The Steeple Times Nigel Evans was cleared of nine charges of sexual offences against seven men. Whilst these non-victims disgracefully remain under the shroud of anonymity, the Member of Parliament for the Ribble Valley will wrongly be best remembered for this case.
Liberal Democrat Jeremy Browne declares his party pointless Finally, in an interview with The Times, a Liberal Democrat realised what the nation has known for years and admitted that his party is pointless.
Katie Hopkins chooses to remain silent about the death of Peaches Geldoff The misunderstood motormouth who will say anything for a buck Katie Hopkins used her column in The Sun this week to announce that she wouldn’t be tweeting about the death of Peaches Geldof. It’s one of the few good decisions she’s ever made.
Mr Gus Instinct says: “London’s become a rubbish dump for high net worths” The expression ‘ransom strip’ has always been a dream hold in the world of property but nowadays that is exactly what has happened to the prime areas of Central London.
Words worth using Our new weekly feature is a ‘Word of the Week’. Our first selection is “panjandrum”.
Footage of a Lamborghini Aventador crashing in Sloane Street On Sunday, a young turk crashed his Lamborghini Aventador into three vehicles in Sloane Street.
Estate agent announces that Chelsea is “where servants live” The cast of Made in Chelsea better relocate. With the announcement by estate agents Beauchamp Estates that Chelsea “is a place where servants live”, this once haunt of the aristocracy has morphed into a very different place.
True and Fair Campaign calls for an OFT investigation into the investment industry On Tuesday, Gina and Alan Miller, founders of The True and Fair Campaign, hosted an event with Prospect Magazine on Savile Row in London. At it they highlighted the perilous mess that the financial industry truly is in.
Acid tongued Liz Jones should put down her poison pen Daily Mail ‘journalist’ Liz Jones has featured on our pages several times after writing vicious bile about her former neighbours and admitting to stealing her then husband’s sperm as part of the “ultimate deception”. Today, this malicious mouthpiece used her column to complain that she “wakes up scared everyday”. We can’t imagine anyone will have any sympathy for her.
World’s richest man Bill Gates pledges not to spoil his children Bill Gates is a man who found it hard to fit in. The geeks he grew up with came to resent him for betraying them but as he was elevated to the position of topping any list of ultra high net worths, he was not accepted by the waspish elite of America.
The original ‘House of Cards’ beats the new one hands down Everyone is raving about Beau Willimon’s House of Cards yet most don’t know how great the performance of Ian Richardson in the original Andrew Davies adaptation truly was.
Tickets for Hope Springs concert available for just £10 Tuesday’s Hope Springs concert at Cadogan Hall in Chelsea looks set to be a barnstormer of an event. With a whole array of performers and compered by The Telegraph’s Tim Walker, all funds raised from this charity event will go to great causes. Now, last minute tickets are available for just £10 as opposed to their list price of £50 each.
Chelsea Handler tells Piers Morgan why his show has been axed The dead duck that is Piers Morgan is not having a great time of late. His CNN show has been scrapped and though Jeremy Clarkson and others have rightly stuck the knife in, it is the comedian Chelsea Handler who finished him off.
Miller Philanthropy to host a charity concert at Cadogan Hall On Tuesday 18th March, Miller Philanthropy is to host an evening of entertainment in aid of small charities at Chelsea’s Cadogan Hall.
Flor Kent shows her solidarity with those seeking to highlight the brutality of the Venezuelan government Yesterday at the InterContinental in Westminster, during filming for a feature for The Steeple Times, artist Flor Kent opted to display the flag of Venezuela next to a statue of the British Parliament to highlight the struggles currently happening in her home country.
A redrawn map of Scotland sums up the perils of independence It’s always been our belief that the sum parts of the Union are worth more together than apart. Great Britain is great because of the diversity brought together in uniting England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Commonwealth and with their attempt to become independent, the Scots lobbying for it just show themselves to be fools.
Susannah Constantine calls for Putin’s henchmen to be expelled Trinny and Susannah are best known for telling the nation’s women what to wear but today one half of this brilliant duo spoke sense when she took to Facebook to express her views on Putin and his cronies.
Mr Gus Instinct says: “Let’s salute the Swiss” Yet again, Switzerland has fearlessly shown the way on another issue involving its own borders. Following their tradition to remain firmly neutral unless they need to act in defense of their own territory, the Swiss last week voted by a narrow margin to halt all further immigration.
What’s so special about the titled classes? We’ve previously separately featured two women who gained titles because of whom they happened to end up married to. They are the sorts that now enjoy using these ‘accolades’ wherever they go.
“Home-ageddon” hits London Sent in by reader and photographer John Stoddart, our Picture of the Week is of a page from the Evening Standard. It sums up what’s become of Central London perfectly.
Noelle Reno shares the truth about London Fashion Week All myths in fashion boil down to one fact: no one has money. Retailers have money, the media has money. However a majority of designers, models, journalists, presenters, producers, publicists and all in between seem to be meant to survive on hot air and passion.
Prince Harry makes his debut at Goodwood Motor Circuit Today, Saturday 15th February, Prince Harry took part in a track day at Goodwood Motor Circuit run by the Royal Foundation Endeavour Fund.
Another pair of Chelsea fraudsters bite the dust The Royal Borough of Kensington & Chelsea, as we’ve repeatedly pointed out, attracts criminals and the case of the latest dodgy pair to come to our attention won’t surprise many of our readers sadly. Meet Emmanuel and Behnaz Scotts, a duo who funded a “high rolling lifestyle” via a £280,000 VAT fraud
Twitter in 140 characters… (well almost…) Twitter: Human beings showing sheep like behaviour and asking for drivel rather than information. Then the Twitterati actually went over the cliff when they bought shares in a company that loses $2 billion a year and has now dropped in value by 25%. Enough said.
The plight of Somerset’s ‘King Canute’ Sam Notaro sums up how bad flooding in the UK is The arrogance of government ministers about flooding and the many victims who’ve been underwater since December has been surprising but our Picture of the Week is what truly sums up the mess so many are in.